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PostSubject: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:52 am

Official STC Blacklist :

Itio - harassing GosuSheep over phone so much that he had to change phonenumber.

Exalius - maphacking, enforcing a licksystem when he had hostbot monopoly, publishing IRL pictures on the internet.

escl - while shaman kicked members from Behh so that the clan was killed.

Who else should be added?


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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:01 am

Bibber - giving untreatable migraines to everyone unlucky enough to encounter him.










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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:36 am

Rofl, yeah Bibber was an INSANE freak but just spamming and giving us headache cant be enough for BLACKLIST. This list is only for people who commited SERIOUS crimes that can damage the community, even though I hated Bibber (almost) as much as you. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:57 am

Shoop

*Killing a forum by deleting all posts that contained wrong grammar.

*Lying constantly to enforce his own (usually sick and lunatic) agenda.

*Ruining more games than all other gameruiners combined (by afking in games, starting fights in game, refusing to participate in games, blaming others when he's the reason of the mistake (example: http://tinyurl.com/shooptoilets), or even kicking people who dominated him from the game (example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gljRktY-QtA

*Abusing his hostbot/host power and channel power kicking people with different ideas/visions or people who stood up to him or flamed him.

*Rewriting history every time a previous event is brought up by somebody to favour himself.

*Abusing his power on every forum so far, making several people boycott the forums.

*Using flames based on ethnicity or religion.

*Ruining the map by stripping it of every aspect that he sucked ass at (stack) and advocating for more changes now (removal of cashfarm, invis) the only way Shoop will ever become good at sheep tag is if skill and mastery is removed from the map.


So what do you say guys? Should we add the most destructive person in the history of the community to the blacklist? Smile aka Shoop.

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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:13 am

What is interesting to note (if we look aside all the bs he made up) is that Exa actually thinks we should punish people for flames (not that I usually base flames on ethnicity/religion etc, but I certainly dont think we should ban people who do) and opinions in debates. I mean just because I dont think invis is a good idea I obviously dont think we should blacklist amir for having another opinion and publicly expressing is.

This is the kind of climate we had in Europe under Exas small era of power when he had hostbot monopoly. Its becomming clearer and clearer Exa is one of the most selfwritten persons in this list.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:33 am

Has anyone noted how Shoop is bringing up issues that is years old? Things he haven't mentioned for years, literally. It should be clear to everyone reading this post (and who has a brain) that Shoop is not interested in right or wrong, he has no principles at all and never had.

All he wants to is discredit the person he has a fight with at the moment and he doesn't care how much he has to lie to do so.

Shoop is saying I had hostbot monopoly, but that's completely wrong. People chose to use my bot because it was the best, with the best leadership. I certainly never kicked anyone for crushing me in sheep tag like you did Shoop; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gljRktY-QtA

Shoop your credability is really all time low in this community at this point, you're not flaming me with threads like this, you're just showing people your complete lack of any moral whatsoever.


Note: I have criticized Shoop since 2009 for what I am criticizing him for right now, on every major forum, in every major clan, since 2009. The only time Shoop is criticizing someone is if they are in a flamewar.

What person on bnet has Shoop not blamed for the death of ST?

First it was Chaise, for being too scared of conflicts and never telling people when they did wrong -> people didnt improve.
then it was Traxx, for not being active enough and holding active players hostage in behh.
then it was me, for offering the community a hostbot they could play on if they wished, but having other maps than ST on the bot killed ST.
then it was Amir for "bullying" people which apparently made a lot of people quit sheep tag.
then it was Sidey for causing fights and manipulating his friends to boycott forums.
then it was Drew for being a useast hitler who didnt punish any eastie who committed a wrong in a game.
then it was itio/beeeh for spamming in games and making games insanely boring.

Why don't you take responsibility for a change Shoop? My first point is enough to put you LEAGUES above me in the "black list". When you add everything else on top of that you are the king of any negative list you will ever make to discredit others.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:49 am

Considering you seriously think we should blacklist people for saying what they think about the map I think its entertaining you talk about credability.

And lets, since you thought I brought up old and irrelevant stuff, look at your list. I cba to go through everything, but lets start at the top?

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*Killing a forum by deleting all posts that contained wrong grammar.


Yeah, back in 2005(?) I deleted some posts because of bad grammar. I think we tried to enforce a section on the old Behh forum for more serious discussions. But yeah I admit it was unbeliveble stupid. But Ive admitted this tons of times. And Ive admitted it was stupid. And it was over 7 years ago lol. You got busted maphacking less than one year ago. You still havent admitted it or that it was wrong and you probably maphacked for a LOT longer and probably still do.

And for everyones information the Behh forum sure as HELL didnt die lol. It kept being the most active place until we decided to move to MAV:s STWC forum instead for even higher activity. You can ask anyone about this lol. Amir, Sidey, Chaise, w.e.

But yeah classic Exa tactic I guess, lie so much people dont have the energy to correct everything. The difference is what I said about you is formulated in ONE row and everyone KNOWS its true. And even despite you spent filling PAGES with lies about me you still come off worse lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:00 am

Ofcourse you "cba" go through everything since you have no counter to most of it.

What you're saying about me is nothing but exaggeration, lies and propaganda. That's why you have NEVER gotten support from ANYONE except maybe Sidey for 1-2 months when me and him had flamewars for your accusations.

Meanwhile, I have produced a ton of content in the past showing that almost everyone agree's with me about you, and I can produce another shitload of content if I would want.

You're coming off as patethic Shoop, if you really care about the truth, or about right and wrong then maybe try criticize someone who you isn't in flamewar with for a change? I know for a fact that I've been criticizing you since 2009 for all the shit you've brought upon this community and I'm gonna continue to do it no matter what.

Maybe you should add Drew to the blacklist for telling everyone Cow's real name and posting his picture on the STC forum? Or add Cow to the list for showing everyone Drew's facebok. But that's right Shoop, you don't care, you have less moral than a rotten potatoe. You're a disgusting person who shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:05 am

Exa this is a serious topic, if you got nothing more than spamming lies about me to do make your own. If you really have something to contribute you are ofcourse free to write it.

I dont believe I am in flamewar with escl (who I havent seen in years) or itio (who Ive ignored for months) atm.

It feels like if your theory was true I would have ended up listing you, Sidey and twixclub.

Now, I dealt with the first accusation you made and the one you asked me to deal with. If you really have real accusations, you shouldnt hide them in a spam of bs.


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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:08 am

Dodging the questions just proves my point.

Either put other people who according to your criteras should be on the blacklist or prove yourself as a hypocrite hitler with 0 principles lol (nothing new though but yee)

adios shoopie Very Happy everyone is gonna read this.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:09 am

Id be happy to, what other people are you referring to?
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:21 am

Start with yourself. If you put escl on the list for actions that occured 7 years ago then put yourself on the list for deleting all the posts on the forum.

Same logic baconbrain, as for other people = read above or go through your peanut brain of actions that have happened over the years.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:23 am

I put escl there for something that Ive never done, kicking members from a clan in order to kill it.

Now before I answer more of your questions, can you answer why you lied and said I killed the forum?
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:26 am

So? A clan is irrelevant, people can rejoin there is 0 problems or effort. What you did (deleting posts that people spent effort on creating) back then and also recently damages the community 100 times as much as what escl did. So put yourself on the blacklist Shoop.

Adios.

This is a statement not a question ^^ don't bring me "if u answer my qustion i will answer urs" just add urself on the blacklist, you if someone deserves to be on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:32 am

Ive already explained to amir this list doesnt work that way, we cant meassure who damages the community most. We can however identifies who have commited the worst crimes in the history. So far Ive only identified you 3 comitting bad enough crimes to deserve spots there.

But, why cant you answer my question. Why did you lie and say I killed the forum?
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:35 am

And how can you identify what the worst crime is Shoop? That really is subjective, but I'm saying 95% of everyone reading this thread thinks that your crime is worse than escl's.

Deleting/editing posts on several forums throughout an entire decade. Go ahead and put yourself on your list or be labeled a hypocrite for life.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:43 am

I doubt 20 persons have read this thread yet, which is the minimum for 95 % to have an opinion.

But even if they were I think most people agree we should delete some posts. And I think most people agree that even though it was stupid to create a forumsection 2005 where big letters was required for the sentences (in the best interest of the forum though) its not really the same as going behind everyones back and kicking members in order to kill a clan.

Now you might give us a reason to why you lied and said I killed the clan?

Or why you continue to deny that you maphacked?

Or why you lied yesterday telling me Cele and Chakra was flaming me while telling them in a different channel I was flaming them? And even faking quotes you copied in with your bot?

Mind telling us why you do this, if you really have so much real material on me why do you make things up?
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:03 pm

2 possible candidates based on similar criteria used so far:

Beeeh-: posted photoshopped pics of near everyone who he disliked over the net. cheated/hacked on whis arcade games to get #1 highscore, diminishing the work of everyone who scored well before him. kicked tazz from csb after tazz legitimately beat him in risk. dissapeared from bnet once it started backfiring in a non-personal way (light flames/people spoiled shows to him).

Chakra: banned people from forums for calling him a vampire. edited peoples posts and put random pictures in them. edited peoples posts, deleting all the content and leaving a "im an idiot" text as replacement. overall unjustly banning in channels and forums he's had influence in (usually you got banned if you flamed him or one of his closest friends, while there was never a problem flaming ANYONE else). admittedly ignored arguments/majority influence during portions of his map-making career. refused to release the map after he quit playing and announced that he's done mapmaking until years(?) later.


these are great guys who i love having around. its arguable whether every crime mentioned deserves a recognition(or whether certain things mentioned are even relevant), but some of these actions are in the TOP list of crimes undertaken throughout ST history. this should definitely not be forgotten.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:24 am

Beeehs posting images and Chakras attempts to enforce a licksystem are indeed serious crimes towards the community. The question is if they are enough. Do we have more on these people? I mean Beeeh leaving BNet can hardly be called an offence, first of all its probably positive for the community and second of all eventually we will all leave. Chakra not handing out the map when he stopped working with it is a serious offence, but Id like to hear more about this? Are there any other sides of the story?

But unless we agree upon a democratic system for mapmaking decisions WHILE the mapmaker is working on it it must be in his hands to make these decisions, and I dont think "not listening to majority influence" constitutes as an offence not only because he isnt obligied to listen to "majority influence" but also because there is no official representants for this voice.

But as I said, sitting on the map AFTER retiring as mapmaker is in my eyes a serious offence, just like trying to enforce a licksystem (similar to Exa) by banning/kicking people for flames.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:34 am

Three things about this topic:

1) You can't ban someone from the "Sheep Tag Community" because of what they do in private clan channels. This would be like the UN declaring war on the United States because they refuse to follow the Kyoto protocol. Clans are sovereign.

2) You can't ban someone because they didn't allow their property to be used in a way they didn't want. This includes private forums--of which ChatCraft, this forum, and any forum we've ever used--and maps, including ReVo. This would be like the UN declaring war on the United States for not giving away nukes because they don't need them anymore. Or to completely ignore patents/copyrights.

And in terms of maps, I released it, 100% unprotected, a year (maybe months, can't find initial post) after my final release. Lucky you, copyrights normally last my lifetime + 70 years. Oh, and I did give the map to a few, such as Drewisfat, hawkys, etc. All you really needed to do was personally ask me for it, and if I liked you (or expected you to do something, 'cause I had no relationship with Hawkys, I would have given it to you.

The concept of the map being owned by the community is retarded. When did Gosu's maps start being owned by the community? Because his map was successful? Oh shits, everyone's playing WarCraft, time to socialize it!!! Everyone using Google? That means it's now owned by the world! Gosu didn't give me the map and say I have to do what the community wants. He gave me the map.

3) You can't ban someone from the community. It'd be like the UN banning the US from the world.



You ban people for destroying things other than their own. People who maphack in games, if it leads to the games being boring, should be banned. People who post child pornography on forums causing governments to issue cease and desist orders, 100% killing a forum, should be banned. Because someone's politics are different is not room for banishment. Next you're going to ban racism.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:15 am

Now first off, this isnt a banlist. This is a blacklist of the worst criminals in STC history.

It looks like it boil down to this, did anyone ask Chakra for the map and didnt get it? And in that case why? Otherwise I dont think we can consider him guilty of holding back the map.

Chakra : there are no laws in the STC, we can only reason around it logicly. And people who tries to enforce a licksystem, regardless if it is in a "sovereign channel" or a "private forum" it is still wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:16 am

Sorry, in tech terms a blacklist is a list of users, or their IPs or such associative information, that bans them from accessing something. So "blacklisting" someone from the community, from the words alone, means to ban them from the community.

But that point aside.

I have been an active member of this forum since its very creation. I have not only been active in posting, but have critiqued on how it should be run. And as this forum is community property, I demand unhindered access to its very runnings. I want admin now. If I, a community member, don't get admin to this forum, a community asset, then I propose we blacklist Shoop.
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:17 am

You know, I used to participate in these kinds of discussions years ago, but even then I'm like 5 years younger than most of you. It's ridiculous that you still even bother to participate in them. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:34 am

Chakra, why are you attacking me? I am the one defending you lol. I just want to make sure your story is true. But if we dont find anyone who asked for the map and didnt get it I dont see any reason to not believe you.

Anyway, according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklisting) blacklisting is :
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A blacklist (or black list) is a list or register of entities who, for one reason or another, are being denied a particular privilege, service, mobility, access or recognition.

Either way I am not in position to promote admins but it seems to way your way of dealing with criticism and questioning is not proper for an admin.

ANameWasTaken, who are you and why do you participate in the discussion if you think its ridicilus lol?
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PostSubject: Re: Blacklisted Sheeptaggers   Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:53 am

OK, so blacklist means nothing?

Carry on then.

I wasn't personally attacking you, Shoop. I'm saying individuals can't just declare rights to something because the community uses, or has voiced comments about, something, via an example of randomly declaring rights of admin because I use this site.

Even if you want to argue that I can be derecognized (oh gahdz) for not donating my time to the community for no benefit, there is still the issue of how do we decide who gets the map? I passed the map on to multiple individuals: why weren't they harassed? Why is no one trying to derecognized Drew? He had the map from the outset. What about Hawkys? What about Mike? Further, how do we discover what the "community" wants in terms of passing the map. Just as 95% of the community would rather not want me to have admin, 95% of east/west didn't want a single European to have the map. Could I have simply been disavowed from mapmaking if the community voted on it?


It's confusing to imagine this community supports that idea that we can vote individuals to do work while everyone else does nothing. If I got everyone to agree, can we force Sidey to make me a pyramid rivaling that of Khufu's? And if he disagrees, we Ctrl+H his name away?
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