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PostSubject: PUA Legends?   Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:47 pm

The seduction community has two major flaws: The first flaw is that it teaches you the very contradictory message that you have to learn to be masculine and be your own man while catering to women and their actions. So no matter what she does, it's up to you to calibrate it for best effect. If she wants cocky and funny you better be cocky and funny. If she wants an asshole you better be that too. If she wants entertainment and you aren't entertaining then she will move on to the next guy who is.

Ironically, PUAs say that they take women off their pedestal, which in a manner of speaking is true. But in reality all they do is take women off one pedestal (created by mainstream society) and put them on to another one.

This is the pedestal created by mainstream society:

• Women are delicate flowers.
• To get women you have to give them compliments, buy them dinner, be a nice guy, and tell them how much you want to be with them.
• You have to pursue women and win them over.
• You have to impress women with lots of money, nice car, etc.

This is the pedestal created by PUAs:

• You have to game women, figure out what they really want, and then give it to them. Yes, it's a lot of work but who cares, since that's the man's job. And besides, women are not supposed to pursue, since men are the ones with the "balls".
• Women evolved powerful screening mechanisms to discern worthy guys from unworthy, and women are very good at filtering out men that don't measure up.
• Women shit test men and you have to learn to pass their tests or you're out.
• Nice guy behaviour is a turn off, so you need to learn to be alpha using cocky/funny, various seduction methods, dominant body language, etc.
• There are numerous attraction switches that women need to have switched on before they will want to be with you.
• You always have to be on the alert because women are always testing you to see what kind of man you are.
• Only a select few men can become very good with women (most men are betas, or AFC). Getting attractive women is an elite achievement.
• Women naturally throw obstacles in the way of sex. It is the man's job to figure out how to overcome them.
• Women will always cheat with the most alpha guy. Unless you are alpha women won't respect you. In other words, a woman is only justified in respecting you if she is attracted to you.
• Be wary of giving women compliments, buying dinner, or being "nice" because she can interpret that as weakness on your part.

As you can see, PUAs are merely a more sophisticated type of woman pleaser; bolstered by a unique mix of fatalistic, evolutionary psychobabble, where women are concerned. It's a more advanced form of ass kissing, but behind the scenes instead of out in the open.

The second flaw is that the seduction community never or rarely addresses those things that women are doing wrong. It's like a child who throws a tantrum and instead of disciplining him or her you take the position that you have to find out what it is they want and give it to them. There's this intense fear that if you call out women on their misbehaviour you are a chump or weak or unable to take it like a man. So rather than do that many guys prefer to just take the "spoil the child" approach to getting laid. Game is basically a coping strategy for women's rotten behaviour. If a woman has attitude and is unresponsive god forbid you tell her to open up. It's your job to figure out what buttons to push.

The fact is that PUA gurus almost never talk about the dysfunctional dating culture (in North America and some other westernized countries). To do that would admit a weakness that can't be marketed in the form of a product. In other words, you can't make money off that.


Currently, the PUA community sees women as superior beings, and men as generally deficient (since we're the ones who have to be taught what to do). This is very much in line with feminist propaganda.

The PUA community loves to say how inept the vast majority of men are when it comes to women. They say things like, 95% of men are totally clueless when it comes to women, which is a very suspicious number considering that meeting people is an intrinsic part of people's social psychology — in other words, we are wired to want to socialize and be around people. So it's simplistic to say that so many guys are completely clueless when it comes to meeting women. It legitimizes the very real difficulty men are up against in western culture, and introduces artificial solutions to solve it. The PUA is an artificial solution to a problem that runs much deeper than just a basic lack of "seduction skills" as the gurus claim.

But no, don't criticize women and don't criticize the social engineering that molds their behaviour. You can criticize GM and Chrysler for making shitty vehicles, and no one would say the problem is with you. But if you criticize women for their actions then the problem MUST be with you. And what does the PUA industry do, it capitalizes on this artificially induced feeling of incompetence men have where women are concerned.

Here's some double standards that are common in the PUA community:

It's okay for women to be unapproachable (because that makes them selective), but if men are unapproachable (or don't approach) they are labeled as shy or socially inept. If a woman has a wall around her then it's your job as a man to "break through". You miss 100% of the shots you don't take, after all. Great line, except that it takes two to tango, and if the woman isn't doing her part it's like dragging around a corpse.

It's funny how so many women say that guys don't approach them because they're intimidated by a strong, intelligent, confident woman (more feminist propaganda). As if I can know that about a woman just by looking at her from a distance. The truth is that the only thing men can know about a woman from looking at her is, is her body language inviting? In other words, is she approachable?

PUAs are perfectly okay with men taking responsibility for women's shortcomings, but the reverse is completely unheard of.

Another double standard is, when a woman shows interest in you right away you have to play hard to get and qualify her to show her that you have standards, otherwise she'll think you're too easy. But nowhere do PUAs raise an issue with her expressing interest in you right away. So it's okay for women to be interested right away but it's not okay for a man, because that would mean he is easy and has no standards.

Women in western (feminized) culture are elevated to a level that is totally undeserved, and in part this is because their shortcomings are too often spun as a sign of strength. It's a serious form of deception, one which the PUA community takes to a whole new level with their pseudo-scientific evolutionary psychology psychobabble which SO MANY men fall for. Let's look at some of these false arguments.

It is often said that women are more socially savvy and much better than men at reading social situations. But the reason it might appear this way is because in this culture women (as a whole) take virtually no risks and always play on the safe side. They are so hell-bent on getting society's approval that they go to all these extra lengths to make sure that they don't do anything "wrong". So as a result, we never or rarely see women make a fool of themselves. Of course not; they don't do anything! Men do all the work, take all the risks, get rejected, and then (many of us) go back to the drawing board to "up our game". And the PUA is merely an extreme case of this.

Men in the seduction community frame women's whimsical, immature, standoffish, selfish, weak, and stupid behavior as indicators of higher awareness, virtue, and social intelligence. For example,

• A woman can't initiate and lacks conversational depth — The PUA interpretation: She is testing your ability to "plow through" and lead.

• A woman is prejudiced and rejects you based on some stereotype she is carrying in her mind — The PUA interpretation: She is picking up on some vibe that you are inadequate or weak. Women are masters at picking up on subtle cues, after all. In other words, you need to up your game.

• A woman can't take responsibility for her actions and flakes on you — The PUA interpretation: You didn't do enough to attract her.

• A woman is with friends who regularly cockblock — The PUA interpretation: You have to win the friends over (never mind what she thinks). So learn group theory.

• A woman loses interest soon after talking to you — The PUA interpretation: You didn't stimulate her enough.

• A woman resists you — The PUA interpretation: She is testing you to see if you are man enough and skillful enough to break through her defenses.

• A woman acts unpredictable, whimsical, and immature — The PUA interpretation: Women are more "complicated" than men and there are numerous attraction switches you must turn on in order for them to want to be with you.

• A woman needs her friends' approval — The PUA interpretation: You must get her friends' approval.

Looking at these it's pretty obvious what's going on. Women's rotten behaviour is justified using some form of twisted evolutionary psychology argument, or deftly reframing the situation to always put the burden on the guy to get things done.

Now imagine if a child did some of these things. What would the interpretation be?

• A child can't initiate and lacks conversational depth — Society's interpretation: He/she isn't mature enough.

• A child is prejudiced and rejects you based on some stereotype he/she is carrying in his/her mind — Society's interpretation: The child must be taught not to judge people based on appearances, and learn not to stereotype.

• A child can't take responsibility for his/her actions and flakes on you — Society's interpretation: The child must be held accountable in order to learn to be responsible and respectful of others.

• A child loses interest soon after talking to you — Society's interpretation: He/she has a short attention span (not a good thing).

• A child acts unpredictable, whimsical, and immature — Society's interpretation: This behaviour is wrong and the child needs to learn to be more disciplined in life and be more respectful of other people's time.

• A child needs his/her friends' approval — Society's interpretation: He or she has low self-esteem and hasn't matured enough to think for him or herself.

It seems that less is expected from women than from children. That alone speaks volumes.

http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/pua-scam.html

I remember Amir/Sidey used to post a lot about PUA. Do you still believe in the aspects of "game" alphas, betas and so on. What do you think after this? Do you agree/disagree with what is being said?



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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:52 pm

i read pretty much everything. cool post thumbs up.

i think your understanding/analysis is bad though. if you wanna debate, summarize/simplify your main points for everyone's sake.. too much stuff in your post. im not interested in making essay.

everything in pua theory makes perfect sense.






but i dont understand what you define as a flaw. take the first "flaw" with putting woman on a pedestal or whatever. you just described what PUAs do, and called it a flaw.
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As you can see, PUAs are merely a more sophisticated type of woman pleaser; bolstered by a unique mix of fatalistic, evolutionary psychobabble, where women are concerned. It's a more advanced form of ass kissing, but behind the scenes instead of out in the open.
so? whats the flaw? and the very obvious theory here is: if you want to get ANY girl(generally the hottest ones), YOU have to calibrate what the woman wants. YOU have to persue them, and not wait for them to persue you. if a random girl wants to date brad pitt, obviously shes going to calibrate what he wants since he can get any woman he wants. pua = deals with reality, not some society blabber where ''it takes two to tango xD'', and it goes both ways; ugly girls have to approach the alpha males if they want to have any chance to get them. the theory is not that brad pitt has to persue a girl if he wants her, the theory is that nerds/people who are generally beta males have to do it.
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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:48 am

•[/quote] You have to impress women with lots of money, nice car, etc.

What little shit do I give about money nice car ect? I want a nice man who will be loyal to me forever. Jesus

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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:41 am

You didn't really get what adam said, did you? :/
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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:03 am

I only read up to like the end of the paragraph that I quoted.
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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:58 pm

I do agree it makes sense but only because of the dysfunctional dating culture. I personally am not willing to meet someone more than halfway. You can choose not to play the "game" and still get girls. That isn't my blog. I just found it interesting but do agree with a lot of his points. It ties in with what I've been reading about the feminist movement and mens rights. >.>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4

Amusing video about the effects of emasculation in society today.

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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:22 pm

1 x freak ass article

1 x freak ass video

What's your point koala? Usually when you link an article/video you will state your point rather than just leaving these GIANT shits.
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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:35 am

My point is that you Sidey are a tool... I should have stated that more clearly.

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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:00 am

Sorry koalas didn't intend to flame you brother.

It'd be nice if you could concisely state your point. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say!
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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:16 am

Echo wrote:
I do agree it makes sense but only because of the dysfunctional dating culture. I personally am not willing to meet someone more than halfway. You can choose not to play the "game" and still get girls. That isn't my blog. I just found it interesting but do agree with a lot of his points. It ties in with what I've been reading about the feminist movement and mens rights. >.>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4

Amusing video about the effects of emasculation in society today.

Is Echo a chick? Because if a man is talking about shit thats in this video well then he must be a Unich.

Also what is Katey doing out of the kitchen again god damit...
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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:22 pm

Well, like I said I didn't write that blog. I just more or less agreed with the points he was trying to make about the blatant hypocrisy and double standards in "Western" society when it comes to dating or just dealing with women in general. Other than I didn't really have a point to make. I found it interesting and thought I would share but I guess I will refrain from doing so unless I have my own points and want to debate... Also did Sidey give his password away because his last post was appreciately amiable which is very uncharacteristic in my experience. That is all.

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PostSubject: Re: PUA Legends?   Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:31 am

Yeye koala don't know waht you're saying but I'll post a video:

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